Where Should Hubway Put Stations in Brookline?
With the contract signed, Hubway is coming to Brookline this summer. Where would you put the stations?
Brookline is joining the Hubway Network this summer, but the four locations for the bike stations have yet to be decided.
At the Board of Selectmen's meeting last week, Planning and Community Development Director Jeff Levine explained that the locations need to be approved by Alta Bikeshare, the company who runs the Hubway network.
The Hubway website has a map showing all of the current places throughout Boston where you can pick up one of their bikes, but it also includes a Station Locator page that invites you to post your suggestions for where the stations should go.
Where do you think the Hubway's bike stations should go? Use the Hubway Station Locator, and leave a comment below suggesting the station locations in Brookline. Or, take a screenshot of your Suggestion map and upload it to this article using the "Upload Photos and Videos" button.
Tommy Vitolo
9:07 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
With one in Coolidge Corner and one in Brookline Village, it makes sense to have one on Harvard just north of School/Aspinwall. Why?
* The Brookline Teen Center [coming soon!] is right around the corner
* It's almost exactly half way between the proposed station in Brookline Village (BVil T stop) and CCorner (in front of Boca Grande).
* It's very near the Pierce School
* It will help to bring a little more customer traffic to "north" Brookline Village
* It will serve as a backup for Hubway users who are going to CCorner or BVil and discover that the station is full
* It's within 4 blocks of an awful lot of residential units, many of which have residents who don't own a car
* It's under-served by the T (just the 66 bus) and can be used by those residents to get to and from the C or D line conveniently, thereby expanding the ease of use of the Green Line
Grahame Turner
9:48 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
You raise some good points. If you get a few people to also submit that station to Hubway, it may well become reality.
Bill Davidson
11:22 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
I uploaded a screenshot of my Hubway suggestion map. My fifth location (not shown) is in Cleveland Circle (putting it geographically in Brighton) in the parking lot in front of Cassidy Playground. It's close to my Brookline neighborhood (Kilsyth Road) and equally accessible to the Boston College community. (Unfortunately, an error message popped up on the Hubway website when I pressed "submit.")
Tommy Vitolo
11:39 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
I wouldn't mind one at Saint Marys, but at least last year there was one 1.5 blocks away at the corner of Park Drive and Buswell in Boston. At the very least, it ought to be a block or two toward Coolidge Corner to provide better access to the residents on Beacon and still serve as access to businesses and the C Line.
Grahame Turner
1:39 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Thanks for uploading! Hubway does have an e-mail address you could likely send your suggestions to.
Luis Cardona
12:16 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
With Coolidge Corner and Brookline Village as shoo-ins, the other two stations should be at intermediate locations. Harvard St. at School/Aspinwall is a natural spot, as is Beacon Street at Kent/Powell. Recall there is already a station at Park Drive and Buswell Street that effectively serves the St. Mary's/Audubon Circle area. But it'd be a long haul between there and Coolidge Corner. Yet I haven't heard the Kent/Powell area mentioned anywhere in the Brookline discussion.
Tommy Vitolo
6:56 am on Wednesday, March 21, 2012
In fact last year the Hubway management folks suggested CCorner and Kent/Powell/St Paul when they thought that Brookline was only getting two.
Mark Izeman
11:11 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Until bicyclists stop running red lights and begin to obey basic traffic rules, no accommodations should be made. Any spaces assigned to Hubway should not take up parking in the commercial areas.
Tommy Vitolo
11:17 am on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Should we not build or repaint crosswalks because some pedestrians jaywalk? Should we not repair potholes because some motorists speed, don't yield to pedestrians, make illegal turns, race through yellow-orange-red lights, or commit any other number of infractions? Should we go ahead and rip up the MBTA trolley tracks because a conductor was looking at his cell phone and got into an accident that one time?
Methinks not.
Mark Izeman
3:55 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
perhaps Vitolo should learn not to encourage his fellow bicyclists to run red lights. I don't want Brookline spending any money for bicyclists until the majority of obey traffic rules. currently the majority of bicyclists the vast majority of bicyclists do not obey basic traffic rules. one cannot compare motorists bicyclist and pedestrians it is not an apples to apples comparison.
Grahame Turner
5:03 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I am quite sure Mr. Vitolo hasn't said anything encouraging cyclists to run red lights, and I have no idea where you are getting that statement from. I will assume that you meant to say "Perhaps Mr. Vitolo should learn to encourage his fellow cyclists not to run red lights," and remind you to re-read what you post in future, because we do not tolerate attacks on other users.
You may be interested to note that Brookline Police are cracking down on cyclists. One man was stopped, and consequently arrested after running a red light (he was also causing a scene). As seen in the arrest reports this week: http://patch.com/A-rHW4
There are also a number of reports of "bicycle enforcement" in the Police logs each week. On nearly a daily basis--too many to really report on.
Mark Izeman
5:30 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Sorry, but in last year's TAB, Mr. Vitolo did exactly that and more ! Vitolo was chastised by Captain Gropman for saying that last year. Bicyclists in Brookline, in large numbers are every day violating basic rules of the road. Stand ion any corner and watch them run through red lights on Beacon Street. Not just running a light while going down the street but I mean cutting across traffic on Beacon Street, against a red light. It must stop!!
Tommy Vitolo
5:37 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
That's simply not true. While I acknowledged to the reporter who wrote that article (closer to 5 years ago than 1) that cyclists often run red lights, and sometimes do it in the name of safety in order to get ahead of a pack of autos clumped at an intersection, I've *never* encouraged a cyclist to run a red light.
I do encourage cyclists to ride safely. In addition to lights and bright colors, that includes (a) riding predictably, and (b) riding assertively. For example, if necessary for safety, cyclists ought to (and are legally permitted to) take the lane to prevent an automobile driver from attempting to pass where road width isn't sufficient.
Mark Izeman
9:04 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
You don't need to take my word check out this link yourself. June 15, 2009 Brookline TaAB, Vitolo says:
The red light
Imagine a bicyclist heading down Beacon Street comes upon several cars stopped at a red light. There’s no bike lane, so the bicyclist eases past several cars and stops at the intersection. She looks left and right; there’s no traffic coming. Should she go?
The bicyclist: It depends, said Tommy Vitolo” but he’s more lenient on bicyclists who run red lights after they’ve determined that they can do so safely.
The reason, Vitolo said, is that bicyclists don’t like to be in front of impatient motorists when the light turns green. Unlike cars, bicycles can take some time to get moving, and bicyclists may not be able to start as quickly as motorists would like.
“The expectation is when the light turns green, it’s a drag race,” Vitolo said. “That’s a very stressful place to be.”
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Vitolo said running a red light can give bicyclists a jump on vehicle traffic. Even if cars eventually catch up, it’s easier for motorists to pass a bicyclist mid-block than while bunched up at an intersection, he argued.
Tommy Vitolo
9:49 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
Indeed. Re-read the article. I *never* encourage cyclists to run red lights. I explain why some cyclists feel it's safer to do so, but I certainly don't argue that they should do so.
What the reporter didn't print was my explanation of when the cyclist ought to go through the red light (the "depends" bit). I explained that a cyclist should go through a red light under the same same conditions as an automobile -- either when it's necessary to not obstruct an emergency vehicle or when a safe right turn on red can be made in an intersection where right turns on red are permitted.
You're flat out wrong in your claim, and while I don't expect an apology I would appreciate it if you would be more careful with your words. I don't appreciate you claiming that I've made statements encouraging others to violate traffic rules when in fact I've done no such thing.
Grahame Turner
10:06 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I do not want to take sides in this discussion, and only step in because I feel this discussion is bordering on dangerous territory. Mr. Vitolo's words here, albeit paraphrased, seem to me an explanation and not an encouragement to break the law.
I also feel it is unfair to say that all cyclists break the laws, simply because you have seen some do it. My experiences are different, and (in my car) I have passed many that behave perfectly fine, or are at worst a slight inconvenience. Your mileage may vary, but it is an unfair assumption to say that all do something on the basis of a few.
I am keeping an eye on this argument, and do not want to see it get out of hand. I know there is still a lot of valuable feedback that people can give in this discussion, but If I have to, I will close commenting on this article.
Mark Izeman
10:38 pm on Thursday, March 22, 2012
I don't mean to insult or malign Mr. Vitolo. His words speak for themselves. I firmly believe that the vast majority of bikers violate traffic rules, thus making them a danger to all. A motorist can not rely on a bicyclist to be a predictable driver. I say, NO money for bicycle accomodations until they can learn to follow the law.
Andrew Ghobrial
10:33 am on Friday, March 30, 2012
Lower Beacon by the St. Mary's T Stop would be a great location. The station at Buswell and Park drive has been removed and thus this are will be a perfect fit!
Luis Cardona
10:39 am on Thursday, August 2, 2012
Agreed. Clarity must be gained from the folks at Hubway because the Audubon Circle/St. Mary's area is currently underserved. If Hubway adds a stop on the Boston side of St. Mary's it won't necessitate Brookline adding a stop there. But whichever side of the line it falls on, this area definitely needs a stop.
Meredith
7:13 pm on Friday, March 30, 2012
I think Washington Square could be great too--it would work well for interaction between Brookline Village and the Coolidge Corner Stations.
John
10:36 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
No bicycle stations should be installed until after Mr. Vitolo and Mr. Izeman settle their dispute, preferably by bicycle-jousting through a red light on Beacon Street.
Rik A.
8:25 am on Saturday, July 14, 2012
So it's July and Hubway doesn't show any Brookline stations on their map. Any word on whether we'll see stations installed this year?
JBrookline
2:30 pm on Thursday, August 2, 2012
If we're limited to four stops, then hands down the fourth should be Washington Square, a burgeoning concentration of restaurants and nightlife in Brookline - not to mention a densely populated neighborhood with already good bicycle infrastructure. I'm very surprised it was left out of the first three.
I'm also surprised JFK Crossing wasn't already included. What's the point of both Brookline Village and Town Hall?
The four should have been - and I submit should still be -
1) Coolidge Corner
2) Brookline Village
3) Washington Square
4) JFK Crossing
Grahame Turner
10:01 am on Friday, August 3, 2012
I haven't seen one at Town Hall, I think that's just where they're hosting the party (although I'd have to double-check that). I know that Washington Square and JFK Crossing were being discussed.
The town isn't so much "limited" to four, as much as that's what has been purchased. Expansions may also come to the town in coming years, I believe this is an experiment for now.
Grahame Turner
2:12 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Nope, I stand corrected. Saw them installing it outside of Town Hall. I agree, that is a little weird...
JBrookline
3:15 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Thanks Grahame - yep, it is two stations in Brookline Village. Luckily these stations are highly mobile - essentially they all fit in a truck and can be moved and redeployed in a number of hours. The four stops I mentioned are the clear and obvious ones to facilitate intra-town riding at the most critical nodes. We should be pressing for some more transparency into the process of how these sites are chosen. Who is the contact we should be writing?